Another two weeks, another prospect list. Sorry that we are a day late, I was unable to post yesterday (school graduation) but I’m back for today. We’ve got the new draftees on the list, all those that have signed. If they have not signed (Giolito, Almora, Appel) they will not be on the list as they are not “MLB Prospects” yet by the technical term. You will find Carlos Correa (21), Byron Buxton (34) and others on the list though. Without further ado, get reading!
Rank. Name - POS, Team (Change) Comment
1. Jurickson Profar – SS, TEX
2. Dylan Bundy – SP, BAL
3. Trevor Bauer – SP, ARI
4. Wil Myers – OF, KC
5. Gerrit Cole – SP, PIT
6. Taijuan Walker – SP, SEA (-2)
7. Travis d’Arnaud – C, TOR (+2)
-Has been really hot as of late, nearly justifying Keith Law’s #4 ranking
8. Oscar Taveras – OF, STL
9. Francisco Lindor – SS, CLE
10. Shelby Miller – SP, STL (-4)
-Velo is down, and he’s been given a “no shake” rule because he’s throwing the FB too much
11. Jameson Taillon – SP, PIT
12. Danny Hultzen – SP, SEA
-Promoted to AAA with Nick Franklin. Very much earned.
13. Zack Wheeler – SP, NYM
14. Julio Teheran – SP, ATL
15. Manny Machado – SS, BAL
16. Anthony Rizzo – 1B, CHC
17. Jose Fernandez – SP, MIA (+26)
-An adjustment showing just how dominant he’s been in Low-A as a righty this season
18. Billy Hamilton – 2B/SS, CIN
-On pace for 150 SB this season
19. Nick Castellanos – 3B, DET
20. Anthony Rendon – 3B, WAS (+5)
-Recently reported that he should be back in August, so off the INJ listing
21. Carlos Correa – SS, HOU (+80)
-Our first draftee, he’s got the sky as his ceiling, biggest issue is he may move to 3B
22. Nolan Arenado – 3B, COL
23. Tyler Skaggs - SP, ARI
24. Christian Yelich – OF, MIA
25. Carlos Martinez – SP, STL
26. George Springer – OF, HOU
27. Jake Odorizzi – SP, KC
28. Jonathan Singleton – 1B, HOU
29. Jake Marisnick – OF, TOR (-7)
-Hitting .258 on the season
30. Xander Bogaerts – SS, BOS
-Been growing on me, showing more skills from his tools including quite a few walks
31. Archie Bradley – SP, ARI (-15)
-Has come back to earth, this ranking +/- 5 spots seems about right for him. Control is an issue (5.7 BB/9)
32. Miguel Sano – 3B, MIN
33. Nick Franklin – SS, SEA
-Getting a (well deserved) promotion to AAA
34. Byron Buxton – OF, MIN (+67)
-Second draftee, has the highest ceiling (Matt Kemp style player) but also a low floor
35. Jacob Turner – SP, DET (-11)
-Still young, spot starting for the Tigers tomorrow, but numbers are still just okay
36. Bubba Starling – OF, KC (-8)
-Had a hit and then pulled his hammy in AB #1 of the career. When he starts playing he’ll start moving up
37. Gary Sanchez - C, NYY (+7)
38. Kolten Wong – 2B, STL
39. Matt Barnes – SP, BOS
40. Noah Syndergaard – SP, TOR (-8)
41. Trevor Story – SS, COL
-Scary home/road splits, Las Vegas might be inflating his numbers quite a bit
42. Jean Segura – 2B/SS, LAA
43. Yasmani Grandal – C, SD (-10)
-Waiting for the promotion to the bigs, should come after the firesale at the deadline
44. Javier Baez – SS, CHC
45. James Paxton – SP, SEA (-7)
46. Mike Olt – 3B, TEX (+17)
-He strikes out, walks, or hits homers.
47. Matt Harvey – SP, NYM (-10)
48. Robbie Erlin – SP, SD (-12)
-Should be a tad higher but draftees and Short Season players are pushing up the list
49. Trevor May – SP, PHI
50. Manny Banuelos – SP, NYY (-10)
-Still is getting beat up. Will he ever recover?
51. Aaron Sanchez – SP, TOR
52. Anthony Gose – OF, TOR (+21)
-Tools are turning into skills. Could overtake Marisnick if they both keep trending the same as now
53. Eddie Rosario – 2B/3B, MIN
54. Max Fried – SP, SD (+47)
-The best HS arm, could be a #2 starter down the road and has good projection
55. Kyle Zimmer – SP, KC (+46)
-The second college pitcher off the board, could be up in late 2013 to help the Royals in the race
56. Jesse Biddle — SP, PHI
57. Daniel Norris – SP, TOR
-Had a fantastic debut last night, could be a top 35 prospect by the end of the year
58. Rymer Liriano – OF, SD (+8)
-Starting to heat up from a bad start. Has great tools and potential
59. Jorge Soler – OF, CHC (+42)
-Finally he signs, was compared to about the 5-7th pick of the MLB Draft, with likely better upside. Toolsy.
60. Michael Choice – OF, OAK
61. Brett Jackson – OF, CHC (-13)
-K rate is abysmal, and scary bad when you think of him facing MLB Pitching
62. Cory Spangenberg – 3B, SD
63. Starling Marte – OF, PIT (-11)
64. Jedd Gyorko – 2B/3B, SD
-Could be in the bigs this year. Has a chance to be a solid 2B player in the majors for a long time
65. Brad Peacock – SP, OAK (-10)
66. Gary Brown – OF, SFG (-13)
-Showing zero power in CF this year. Ceiling looking much lower than before
67. Leonys Martin – OF, TEX
-Promotion to MLB, should be a solid regular after hitting .344 in AAA (PCL)
68. Mason Williams – OF, NYY (-10))
69. David Dahl – OF, COL (+32)
-Toolsy player, has very good upside here, especially in Colorado
70. Cody Buckel — SP, TEX (-13)
-Rumor is he should be promoted soon. Biggest knock on him is his height
71. Tyler Austin – 3B, NYY (+19)
-Showing power/speed talents, could be a top 40 prospect in 2013 if he continues
72. Justin Nicolino – SP, TOR
73. Zach Lee – SP, LAD (-13)
74. Tony Cingrani – SP, CIN (-9)
75. Josh Bell – OF, PIT (-21)
-Still injured and demoted. Should rise quickly if he produces however.
76. Martin Perez – SP, TEX (-29)
-A 4.90 ERA and only 45 K’s (36 BB) are pretty ugly numbers this year
77. Taylor Lindsey – 2B, LAA (-9)
78. Jose Campos – SP, NYY
79. Tyrell Jenkins – SP, STL
80. Matt Davidson – 3B, ARI
81. Hak-Ju Lee – SS, TB (-10)
-Has a .622 OPS on the season
82. Mikie Mahtook – OF, TB
83. Derek Norris – C, OAK (+18)
-Could be an all-star catcher one day with his combo of power and ability to take a walk
84. Taylor Jungmann – SP, MIL
85. Taylor Guerrieri – SP, TB (-9)
86. Gavin Cecchini – SS, NYM (+15)
87. A.J. Cole – SP, OAK (-15)
-Still needs to improve command, but getting better. Could be back up next list
88. Austin Hedges — C, SD (-8)
89. Yordano Ventura — SP, KC
90. Daniel Corcino – SP, CIN (-20)
-Hype has settled down, probably belongs a tad higher but is back to earth after riding the hype-coaster.
91. Wilmer Flores – 3B, NYM (-12)
-Rumor is promotion to AA coming up soon
92. Jonathan Schoop – 3B, BAL
93. Garin Cecchini – 3B, BOS (+8)
94. Jackie Bradley Jr. – OF, BOS (-11)
95. Tyler Thornburg – SP, MIL
96. Jed Bradley – SP, MIN
97. Nestor Molina – SP, CWS (-9)
98. Rougned Odor – 2B, TEX (-23)
-Hard to rank a guy who’s injured over many other quality performers who are playing. Injury adjustment.
99. Zack Cox – 3B, STL (-10)
100. Blake Swihart – C, BOS (+1)
HM: Oswaldo Arcia, Marcell Ozuna, Tommy Joseph, Nick Travieso, Mark Appel (unsigned), Lucas GIolito (unsigned), Kevin Gausman (unsigned), Albert Almora (unsigned), Mike Zunino (unsigned)
Newcomers on the List
Anthony Rendon (INJ/20), Carlos Correa (draftee/21), Byron Buxton (draftee/34), Max Fried (draftee/54), Kyle Zimmer (draftee/55), Jorge Soler (signee/59), David Dahl (draftee/69), Derek Norris (83), Gavin Cecchini (draftee/86), Garin Cecchini (93), Tyler Thornburg (95), Blake Swihart (100)
Fallers off the List
Jarred Cosart (64), Cheslor Cuthbert (81), Sonny Gray (84), Tim Wheeler (85), Christian Benthancourt (93), Casey Kelly (94), Dante Bichette Jr. (95), Matt Szczur (97), Chad Bettis (98), Luis Heredia (99), Joe Ross (100)
Graduates (must be at least under consideration for Top 100)
Bryce Harper, Mike Trout, Matt Moore, Jesus Montero, Devin Mesoraco, Drew Pomeranz, Jarrod Parker, Yonder Alonso, Randall Delgado, Will Middlebrooks, Joe Wieland, WIlin Rosario, Zack Cozart, Drew Smyly, Lance Lynn, Drew Hutchinson, Matt Adams, Addison Reed, Nathan Eovaldi, Andrelton Simmons
Injuries (must be out for season)
Arodys Vizcaino (projected rank of 54)
Thanks for reading, comment below!
If this list was Top 100 Rookies, Nick would have a point….But it’s Top 100 Prospects. Prospect is the key word here. Players lose prospect status three ways. 1) 130 AB. 2) 50 IP. 3) Require service time on major league roster. This site focuses on AB/IP and list the Top 100 players that still have prospect status. Although Nick is correct in the fact that some of those players have graduated and are still Rookie of the Year eligible, he is wrong in assuming that a prospect and a rookie are the same thing. A player doesnt lose his rookie eligibility until the end of the season that he breaks thats 130/50 threshold. however we are not concerned with a Rookie of the Year award or the season in a full sense. A prospect is a player that has not reached 130/50 in his career. This is a deep dynasty league based site. In a majority of dynasty leagues when a prospect hits the 130/50 mark you need to promote him, since they follow those same thresholds. So yeah it would be nice to compare Yonder Alonso on the same list as Anthony Rizzo. If you want that, look at any preseason listing. Since most leagues that we cater to would no longer have guys like Alonso in their “prospects” we will not amend the rankings to include them.
Guys to consider for expanded list: Jorge Bonifacio, CJ Cron, Grant Green, Bobby Borchering, Joe Panik, Roger Kieschnick, Ryan Wheeler, Noel Arguelles, Alex Meyer, Gerardo Concepcion, Yasiel Puig
@Nick in Cincy,
Your point is well taken, we’ll have to come up with something to accommodate most of our posters…You do have to understand though, that for every person asking us to keep Grads on, there is another group asking us to take them off.
Perhaps we’ll give a projected ranking for graduated players similar to how we do for injured players. This way we can have more prospects available on the top 100 list and have a comparison for recent grads to current prospects. This should keep both groups satisfied (hopefully).
We are coming up with a new list over the weekend, so we’ll work on it.
I know you all have been asking for the 250 prospect list, perhaps we can consider something at the halfway point around the all-star game. Some feedback on some of the players you’re following would be great so we can do some comparisons!
Thanks,
“Why take the easy road and rank only the players still in the minors”
I had to laugh at this. Because honestly it’s by far the harder road. It’d be so easy to eat up 15 slots by ranking Trout/Harper/Moore/Montero etc. in the top 8, and then others lower. And they all have immense scouting reports, covering unique details of their hitting ability and fielding and talent levels. If you google Mike Trout Scouting Report you will find hundreds of them.
On the other hand, “Matt Davidson Scouting Report” is a lot tougher to find. The reason our site is better than even MLB.com or anything is because we are constantly updating and reviewing our own lists. Without that constant review, most sites fail. That’s why I don’t even look at MLB or any site like that. Here’s what I mean:
Oscar Taveras: 86
Manny Banuelos: 9
Tim Beckham: 90
Matt Barnes: 95
Jose Fernandez: 94
Mike Montgomery: 25
You’re telling me that Mike Montgomery is 61 spots better than Oscar Taveras?
And that reason right there is why our lists are superior to those. We update bi-weekly. Prospects don’t need a control group, and shouldn’t have one. The only “control” group that would work would be Prince Fielder, Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, and Albert Pujols…wait, those last two are having down years…
Obviously baseball is always in flux. That’s the point. I guess the “control” is the league averages. Because for every Mike Trout killing the majors, there’s a Travis Snider who hits .325 in AAA and .254 in the majors. The “control group” that you describe couldn’t exist because that group is in constant flux as well.
@Nick
MLB.com has removed all these guys from their Top Prospects lists.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/index.jsp?tcid=mm_mlb_players
Bryce Harper and Mike Trout are ROY eligible yet they aren’t #1 and #2 on MLB.com’s list. I understand your point that you want to see where guys currently in the majors rank versus prospects, but I think that needs to be in a different list.
This list is a Top 100 Prospects list and the guys you are talking about don’t qualify as prospects.
@jhawk613
I realize that Alonso and Parker are in the majors, that is exactly the point I was making. Do you realize they are both still prospects since they are both still eligible for Rookie of the Year? They are both prospects until the end of this season.
Still have not heard a good reason for leaving the best prospects off a prospects list.
These players were included on Deep Leagues’ Top 250 last season because Bradley understood that many of his readers wanted to see a list that included all prospects. The substitute authors this year apparently don’t care much about maintaining the popularity of Bradley’s website.
Why take the easy road and rank only the players still in the minors? There is no Internet law that says a prospect list can only include 100 names. What do you gain by leaving out the best prospects? It makes the site look foolish.
By leaving the “graduated” players on the list it gives the reader the chance to compare some of the younger prospects to the more well known older prospects. In science it is called a control group. The idea is to grade or judge the unknowns vs the knowns. A scientist that doesn’t use a control group won’t last long. No control group means you are just flailing around for no real reason.
If Deep Leagues can’t provide a meaningful list of prospects then this site will never earn a place alongside the more famous and established prospecting websites. Right now it is just a random group of anonymous guys from the Internet posting lists of minor leaguers without any real system or logic involved. It is no different than the scores of fanposts on John Sickels’ site. Since Bradley has departed this site has lost any momentum toward respectability that it earned last year.
Bradley, come back and save your site!
site* sorry I should proofread better.
@Nick in Cincinnati
Yonder Alonso = 256 AB = Graduated
Jarrod Parker = 73.2 IP = Graduated
So basically you want a sight that compares minor league prospects to non-prospect eligible major league rookies.
btw, Rizzo and Hultzen are on this list, so not sure what you’re complaining about. Here we can compare prospects to prospects.
@kpulek
This list would be ten times more interesting if the best prospects were still on the list. Hard to compare the guys currently in the minors when all the comparisons are off the list just to save space. Players are still prospects until they are no longer eligible for the Rookie of the Year.
Want to know how Danny Hultzen compares to Jarrod Parker? Want to compare Anthony Rizzo’s prospect status to Yonder Alonso’s? You better go somewhere else where they cover all the prospects.
I still haven’t seen a good reason why the top prospects are no longer covered on this website.
When is Bradley coming back so we can get the top 250 lists that appeared on this website last year?
Hi all,
I could use some quick help with a move I’m thinking about.
The league is a 14 team AL-only H2H standard 5 hitting and pitching categories.
The question:
Would you drop Joel Peralta (probably not) or Erasmo Ramirez (tough decision) for Freddy Garcia?
If I don’t grab Garcia soon he’ll be long gone by the time he starts on Monday (probably even gone later today). Do I gamble that he’ll stay in the Yankees rotation over Adam Warren (and maybe David Phelps) while Andy Pettitte is out and that he’ll be better than Erasmo?
What is Erasmo Ramirez’s status in the Seattle rotation?
Thoughts?
Thanks.
@ N1AK
We’re taking off all those who are on pace to graduate. No reason to leave them on the list if we’re fairly certain they will not be back in the minors and will be rookie of the year contenders in 2012.
We tried to do that to give more “prospects” in the lists rather than guys who are major league players. It’s great and all to read lists with Trout/Harper/Moore on top, but they don’t help “deep leagues” type players who are looking for the guy who doesn’t have 1000 reports on him across the web.
Actually, TDA injured himself trying break up a double play at second base.
Conspiracy theory: Arenciba paid off the fielders to injure him!
Andrelton Simmons has yet to graduate. He currently has only 74 AB’s.
Travis D’Arnaud tore his PCL, out 6-8 weeks, possibly the season sliding into second base last evening…
http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120626&content_id=33963378¬ebook_id=33970506&vkey=notebook_tor&c_id=tor
No doubt that everyone has opinions which conflict. That’s what makes this really fun to me.
For example I am going out on record here. Manny Machado is not a top 20 prospect. I’m marking it down right now. Its not popular but it’s my belief. He will be average or slightly above average in the majors. No better.
“Maybe top 40 but I don’t think he’s got the potential that others (Gose, Baez, Wong, Starling) have in that similar range. To me he looks pretty solid right there at 40-50 in the rankings.”
I guess we all have our own opinions which is what makes following prospects interesting. I think Olt projects to be a much better player then Gose or Wong. Baez and Bubba Starling are too far away to really project just yet. But both could be very good players in a few years. I like Wong but he seems pretty punchless to me. And I’ve never been a big Gose fan. I need to see him repeat was he’s doing this year batting average wise before I would ever consider taking him.
@Andrew
i think you have the ceiling portion correct on your 5 prospects, but you really have to review your scoring to consider Hamilton for Dynasty playing. A standard 5×5 point system would make Hamilton valuable for SB, but if you have a 7×7 system or more, where doubles and triples are included then you must really reconsider. When Hamilton is turning singles into doubles and doubles into triples, he can win 3 categories on his own which is HUGE!
Good luck,
@Brad B
To be honest, I like him but I think he only deserves a slight bump. Do I think he’s a perennial all-star? Yes, he could be one day (sans injuries). But I think his fantasy upside is limited to .270 average with quite a few dingers (25-30?) and a good OBP. Again, he will stick at 3B (solid with the glove) but that only protects him from a move across the diamond.
I think 3B is shallow enough where he will be a top 10 option at the position in the future, but I think as of right now I don’t see him as a top 35 player. Maybe top 40 but I don’t think he’s got the potential that others (Gose, Baez, Wong, Starling) have in that similar range. To me he looks pretty solid right there at 40-50 in the rankings.
Mike Olt – “He strikes out, walks, or hits homers.”
He is also hitting .300! I think he does a lot more then HR, BB, or K…..plus he is considered an excellent defensive 3B. He should rank MUCH higher.
@Mr.P
He dropped 10 spots due to mainly the infusion of the draftees. Correa/Buxton landed ahead of him and Zimmer/Fried/Soler right behind him. There were guys who we thought were better than those three so we had to bump them up. I think he’s more of a mid-50s prospect, he looks like a low end #2 arm to me, more likely a #3. He’s got a 3.70 ERA in AAA right now, which worries me a tad. Personally from the guys below him, I’d rather have Aaron Sanchez (51), Jesse Biddle (56), Daniel Norris (57) among others over him and especially May.
I think in the next few editions as more research is done and a lot of mid season lists start coming out, you’ll see big changes in the middle of the list. Rougned Odor is at 98 in the rankings (injury-inflated) but I think when healthy he’s a top 60 prospect at minimum, if not better. And guys that I don’t think look too bright potential wise (Harvey, May, especially Banuelos) will fall because of it. I guess it’s the nature of prospects outlook to change so much from month to month.
@Andrew
1. Byron Buxton – #1 Fantasy Player Ceiling, could be Matt Kemp. Personally I don’t think he’ll hit enough to do that, I could see a speedy guy with a good average and 10 homers a year. Valuable? Definitely, but not Matt Kemp. Pure ceiling though, definite #1.
2. Billy Hamilton – On what he “could” do for fantasy, picture Michael Bourn but with 40+ more SB every season. *If* he hits .285 and steals 100+ bases a year, how could you not take him in the top 5? Guaranteed category winner (SB), great run production, and won’t kill your average
3. Gary Sanchez – Power hitting catcher who could hit .300-.310 with 25+ homers and stick at the position. Elite production from a catcher, but if he ever has to move off of it (nobody thought Joe Mauer would get injured, right?) then he’ll be above average at 1B (not fantastic).
4. George Springer – I’m a UConn fan so watching him perform (and Matt Barnes!) is fantastic. But I am slightly skeptical of his K-rate. He’s got Grady Sizemore potential for 30-30 numbers. But I worry that his free-swinging ways could haunt him in the way that he’ll never be “elite” like Sizemore was a few years ago.
5. Jose Fernandez – Potential to be an ace, but I’m not seeing it just yet. I believe, just not 100%. He’s got 2 great pitches (FB, Slider) but his change and curve aren’t as good yet. I’m never inclined to take risk of a pitching prospect over a hitting prospect who can be just as good. Fernandez is one slider away from TJ surgery and then being relegated back to the “closer” comps and being a saves machine, but not an ace starter.
@Adam
Hmmm this is a tough one. Myers and Walker are really close to one another, but I definitely think that Arenado separates the pack.
To me Myers is valuable as a top 5 prospect. Walker as a top 10 prospect. And Arenado as a top 25 prospect. Personally I’m a huge fan in diversifying my risk with prospects. Odds say that you’d be better off with prospects 11-25 than 6-10. It’s just the volitility of the prospects in nature to bust when you least expect it and explode out of nowhere. It’s really an educated guessing game. So taking two guys (Walker as a potential ace, Arenado as a potential All Star) to me makes more sense than bundling all that risk into one player (Wil Myers).
On the other hand, I’m not a huge Arenado fan, so I’d personally flip him for another top tier talent. I might go after a few fast rising prospects (Tyler Austin, Rougned Odor, Taylor Lindsey, Yordano Ventura, Rymer Liriano) and see if you can get 3 of them for Arenado. Sure, you won’t have the “star” in the deal, but you get 3 guys who I think can make a legit impact in the future and who will fly up charts. Also, three names to think about from SS/A ball.
1. Mason Hope RHP MIA (NYPL)
Hope was overshadowed in OKLA by two random prep dudes, Archie Bradley and Dylan Bundy, and I think he’s a great prospect in his own right
2. Clay Holmes RHP PIT (NYPL)
A guy projected to go in the 2nd round in 2011, lasted until the 9th. I can see him “breaking out” because he’s got a projectable frame and a good fastball and (like most prep pitchers) is still grooming his CH/CB
3. Michael Fulmer RHP NYM (SAL)
One last prep pitcher from 2011, I like his makeup and I think that he’s going to be a solid mid rotation starter in the future for the Metropolitans
@Adam
I’d take that deal and run with it, depending on how many players you keep from year to year. If you keep everyone I think that’s a no brainer. You get two premium prospects for one. The difference between Myers and Walker is negligible in my mind.
One thing you can try is to see how much the other guy loves Myers (who I think is great but is a bit over-hyped in my opinion) and try to get Taijuan Walker (who I love as a prospect) and a piece thats better than Arrenado. That’s what I’d do in your position.
Why did Matt Harvey drop 10 places??
Ok, need some advice. Been offered Arenado and T. Walker for Myers. My team is made up of mostly top 50 prospects, kinda like the Angels of a few years ago. I realize I’m playing for the future.
Some thoughts?
my bad these *five*
Hi all,
Please order these prospects for me in your opinion of highest ceiling if you would:
Gary Sanchez
Byron Buxton
Jose Fernandez
Billy Hamilton
George Springer
Mine would be
1. Buxton – comparisions to Kemp and the Uptons are nice
2. Sanchez – 30 bombs a year from the catcher spot?
3. Fernandez – ace potential is there
4. Springer – 30/30?
5. Hamilton – what is realistic for him in SB in the bigs? 75 in a year? More? Can he hit .280?
How would you order these six in terms of best ceiling?
@All
Thank you very much for your help. I currently have (full roster, MLB in CAPS):
C: RYAN HANIGAN, Derek Norris, Gary Sanchez
1B: ADAM DUNN, GARRETT JONES, GABY SANCHEZ
2B: JASON KIPNIS, DARWIN BARNEY, Rougned Odor, Henry Rodriguez, Taylor Lindsey
3B: CHRIS DAVIS, WILSON BETEMIT, Edward Salcedo
SS: JHONNY PERALTA, Trevor Story, Nick Franklin, Francisco Lindor
OF: MICHAEL BRANTLEY, MIKE TROUT, ANDRE ETHIER, WILL VENABLE, JUSTIN MAXWELL
SP: IVAN NOVA, JOE SAUNDERS, TOMMY HANSON, RICKY ROMERO, TREVOR CAHILL, TRAVIS BLACKLEY, Shelby Miller, Carlos Martinez, Chris Reed, Trevor Rosenthal, A.J. Cole
RP: OCTAVIO DOTEL, BRANDON LYON, JUAN CRUZ, JOSE MIJARES, LUCAS LUETGE
So I’ve got a solid farm system (picked the team up half way through last year, terrible team, finished 1-20). I dealt a lot of MLB pieces for high prospects and then turned them around into better MLB pieces and now I’m 4-6 (about to be 5-6).
Anyways, I think I’m going to lean towards keeping my guys. I’m going to counter with something like Trevor Story and a low MLB guy (Betemit, Blackley, Maxwell, RP?). I really like Fernandez, but I don’t think I’d give up any better than Story, or AJ Cole from my team.
I appreciate the quick feedback, it really helped because I almost moved Sanchez for him but I paused enough to ask you guys. I appreciate it!
@Jason
It’s going really well, mid July a few days after the signing deadline comes our 2012 Amateur Draft so we’ll be selecting 60 of the best signees from this year’s draft. I’m looking forward to it because it means we can start to build up our farm system and expand into the recent draftees. The biggest thing I’m going to watch is how fast guys like Stroman go. He could be in the majors as a RP in about 2 weeks after the deadline, so I’m interested in seeing how quickly he goes because of that. IMO he’d go somewhere around 25th-30th on PURE TALENT alone, but being that he can help a fantasy team in the stretch run I could see a team who’s edging for a playoff spot (maybe 12th) want to steal him and plug him right into the lineup. It’ll really be interesting to watch and see! If you guys want I can post the final list once the draft is over.
kyle,
the only one i’d consider would be trading Franklin. Of course Franklin is much closer to the big leagues so it depends on your need at SS. Also, I find pitching is easy to find in the prospect pool.
Color me a big Gary Sanchez fan, especially in that Yankee ballpark in a few years.
@kpulek
I wouldn’t do it for the simple reason that stud SS and C are incredibly hard to find. Pitching is much easier to acquire.
Sanchez (assuming he stays with the Yankees) will be part of a great lineup and projects to similar numbers as Brian McCann. I wouldn’t move him for a pitcher.
If you are extremely high on Fernandez (I like him a lot, but I’m not 100% sold yet) I’d consider doing the deal with Franklin. You have Lindor as a future SS, but he’s at least two years behind Franklin on their paths to the bigs.
I wouldn’t do the deal – at least for now.
How is that new deep dynasty league going that you guys just drafted this offseason?
@kpulek – I would not trade any of those guys for Jose Fernandez right now. Fernandez is still in A ball, so he’s not particularly close to being a stud in the majors.
I think Lindor and Sanchez have potential to be special at a weak position, so I value them in fantasy over almost every starting pitcher at the same level. Tavares, Miller and Franklin are all much closer to the majors and all have high upsides at their positions.
If you could get a second prospect that’s close to the majors maybe I would consider it for Sanchez. You could throw him back one of your worst minor leaguers, assuming you don’t have all studs. I think you’re on point considering Sanchez or Franklin but I value Franklin more than Sanchez. He’s in Triple-A now and has a reasonable chance of being and offensive minded, everyday SS in the majors which has to have some value.
Thanks for the feedback guys. I am going to try to turn McCann for another piece when I get him. I am not sure what that piece will be, but I have been keeping my eye on the rosters of guys that have catchers like Buck and Hundley taking at bats.
My current backstop is Wieters, so I am not too sad to see Rosario go or to turn McCann for another piece.
My 11 that I am going to keep is starting to go over 11, so I am going to try to bundle a few for one other solid keeper that will come back as well.
My tentative 11 will be: Wieters, Butler, Cuddyer, Gordon, Panda, Dunn, Bruce (with the trade), Arenado, Chapman, Hultzen, Wheeler, and Jacob Turner. I know that is 12, but the last 3 pitchers will get sorted out and one will go in a trade with McCann, Howie K, and one of the other keepers-hopefully for another bat (maybe SS).
This league just got expanded to 20 this year, it had been a 10 team keeper. I am one of the new teams. The previous 10 teams got to keep 11 players and then the new teams drafted from the rest of the players left ’till we got to the the 12th round and then it was a full draft again. I agree with all the points made, but I think that I can use Harper (who I traded Cueto and Street to obatain) to get pieces that will round out my whole roster. The league is divided into two 10 team divisions, with the goal to move up to the top division and then win the league in a playoff amongst the top teams in that division. Right now I am in 2nd place in the “B” league and lack the fire power to play with the big boys. Long post, I know, but wanted to acknowledge my feedback AND my against the stream mentality when I make the trade
One fantasy question (straight prospect deal) to the group:
I can trade one of these players to get Jose Fernandez in return. Which one?
1. Shelby Miller (no)
2. Francisco Lindor (no)
3. Oscar Taveras (no)
4. Nick Franklin (maybe)
5. Gary Sanchez (maybe)
Do I make the deal with Franklin or Sanchez, if at all?
2 Notes:
1. Flores will be changed to 3B in the master sheet, I meant to do it last time but I missed it when scanning through. Thanks for the heads up!
2. Rougned Odor returned from the Seperated Shoulder injury already and played last night! Looking really good to me. Anyone else think he could just be hiding in Profar’s shadow, waiting to break out? A solid 2B defensively, who’s got a tad under Profar-type tools. Could he be top 30 next year?
@Land
I honestly think you make that trade. As terrible as it sounds to trade Harper, I’m thinking 2-3 years of McCann, 10 of Bruce (30 HR yearly), Hultzen and Wheeler (one will turn out to be a #2 IMO, maybe both) is definitely worth Harper. Rosario is a solid piece, but he really wouldn’t match anyone here on the list. I’d take the four players, take the better value spread out (what happens if Harper tears his ACL, you’re out all of his production for a year?) and hope that Harper doesn’t break any records. Heck, you might be able to get him back in the future.
Yes, I do realize I conflicted every person on this board, but I personally don’t want to bundle my assets into 1 player and hope he’s Mr. Invincible. I’d rather have Prospects 51-100 on the list above than I would Dylan Bundy.
Re: 2013 Draft
I’m hearing Clinton Hollon SP from a Kentucky HS could go # 1
@Land, I like Bruce, Hultzen and Wheeler, but I’m not sure I’d do it.
Harper is only 19 so you definitely haven’t reached the tipping point on value. In reality, he is probably at his cheapest now given his small sample size in the Majors. I agree with Derrick, you’re getting the current McCann, not the McCann from 5 years ago, so don’t be fooled by name recognition.
@Land
He is asking for WIlin Rosario off your roster. You have to break the trade down this way:
Harper for Bruce, Hultzen and Wheeler
Rosario for McCann
I would not be sure in both scenarios you come out as a true winner as Rosario is have a pretty good power season in Colorado? He is getting 2 prized young position players for parts. Young pitching has been easier lately to fill.
@Land
Certainly the offer to you is a legit one as Hultzen and Wheeler are good pieces to have. I think to pry Harper away from you it has to be a “no brainer” type trade. Obviously the other player wants him so he’s going to have to overpay for him…I don’t see him overpaying for this one.
If you require depth and look to finish in last and are willing to part with Harper, then I would look for younger players, with respect to McCann. If he has another top prospect better then Hultzen and Wheeler, I would ask for him too! Make it worth your while to part with Harper!
That was supposed to say “smoke blown your way” lol
@Land, I wouldn’t do the trade….who’s your current catcher? And how many productive years at current level does McCann have left? Bruce is not special, and looks like he’s locked in as to who he is. Ceiling of Hultzenis well documented and wheeler is a nice piece, but feel like your getting a lot of some blown your way and in the end its mediocre parts (wheeler may be a stud) for Harper, trout being his only foreseeable equal. But just my opinion.
derrick
Hey you guys have Wilmer Flores listed as a SS but I’m pretty sure he’s been playing 3B this year.
Tried putting this in the forum, but that seems to be impossible. I was wondering if I could get some feed back on a trade that involves recently graduated players, players still on this list, and guys that haven’t been on this list for a long time!
Bryce Harper and Wilin Rosario for Jay Bruce, Brian McCann, Danny Hultzen, and Zack Wheeler.
It’s a 20 team league that keeps 11 each year. I currently have Harper and feel he is one of those once in a generation type players, but I finally reached my tipping point on a return for him. Curious what you all think?
@Andrew
Absolutely, they’d definitely be in the top 60 (Zuninio and Appel) and top 75 (Almora) had they signed already. Thankfully the deadline is in 3.5 weeks and not nearly 2 months.
Also, for 2013 I’ve been hearing a lot about Meadows as the top:
1. Austin Meadows OF GA(HS)
2. Ryne Stanek RHP ARK
3. Karsten Whitson RHP FLA
4. Oscar Mercado SS FLA(HS)
5. Colin Moran 3B UNC
HM: Reese McGuire C WAS(HS)
I think you’ll see a lot of catchers come off the board early (seems to be a good crop of them).
I found your take on Appel interesting. I don’t think that he can turn down $2M from the Pirates this year. Next year he will have zero leverage. None. Nada. He can’t go back to school. And his other options are Independent League and Japan/Korea etc. which I don’t see him doing for a year to avoid a $2-3M bonus.
Top five in the 2013 draft anyone?
1. Karston Whitson P Florida
2. Austin Meadows OF HS
3. Appel (goes back after not signing beacuse of Boras)P Stanford
4. Jeremy Martinez C HS
5. Orlanso Mercado SS HS
6. (because Appel is a cheapy) Colin Moran 3B North Carolina
Are Zunino, Giolito, Almora etc. not ranked beacuse they are unsigned?
It seems to me that it must be, but just want to clarify to be sure, because they easily rank higher than Dahl, Cecchini right now I’d say.
@Rowe
Thanks! We always appreciate positive comments, it’s what helps push us to make the best list possible to give everyone the best chance to win!
@jhawk
The only player that I’m nervous about in the grad class is Pomeranz. If he doesn’t get the call before September (one start?), or if the Rockies are in the race and acquire a new SP to fill that slot, he could be in AAA until next OD.
As for Jorge Bonifacio, he’s a case of a ton of tools but not yet into elite skills (to be expected as he’s only 19). If he produces this year continually (currently .314 with 6 HR and 4 SB) and ends up at .300 with 15 HR and 10 SB, he’ll be edging high 90s. I think right now he’d probably fall in that group of “elite potential” guys in the mid 120s who need to break out and put up big numbers to make that leap into the top 100 (ie Tyler Austin). But he’s got all the potential in the world, so if you can snatch him up in exchange for a guy like Nestor Molina (97) or Jed Bradley (96) I’d do it (if playing for the future of 2015).
Sorta as if you had made the same trade for Tyler Austin for Bradley, you’d be sitting with one of the fastest rising prospects in the minors instead of a guy who looks like a 4 starter.
To sum up: Jorge Bonifacio looks like a 118-128 prospect who would definitely be worthwhile to take a calculated risk on for the future.
Before people get frustrated, the only “graduates” that haven’t graduated yet are (and most are close to graduating):
Matt Adams, 78 AB
Andrelton Simmons, 55 AB
Drew Pomeranz, 41 IP
Joe Wieland, 27 IP
Addison Reed, 30 IP
I like the list. Deep prospect question. Where would you rank Jorge Bonifacio? Is he approaching the Top 100, 100-150, 150+?
I think Im supposed to say first or something.
But mostly I just wanted to say thank you to the guys who run this site. I found it last year, and it has enabled me to play in much deeper leagues w more teams w confidence. Keep up the good work!